i think with jim lehrer there from pbs, he made the point from a joking reference. look, you have to borrow money from china to pay for these programs, is it worth it? that's the test that should be applied if we impose it on future generations. big bird, i can tell you, as the father of three children grown now, but any father who's gone to a toy store knows that big bird is a pretty commercially successful entity and whether or not we should be subsidizing it, and you can cite, oh, it's not that big a percentage of the budget, that's true, but every penny that you raise as a potential cut seems to be sacred with this administration and you can't cut it, and they demagogue it, and i think the american people understand this is a big election and a big choice. >> let's talk -- >> you have to make some tough decisions and have to find some things where it's not worth borrowing money and imposing debt on future generations, big bird would be pretty successful, i suspect, without a government federal subsidy and all that debt. >> let's talk about friday's job numbers.